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I was a police officer for a handful of years in Texas, in a suburb of a major metro area. In that time, I quickly learned that an extremely high percentage of the individuals I dealt with on a nightly basis were in some form of mental health distress. By this, I don't mean that everyone was mentally ill (although a very high percentage of these people had some form of mental illness or another), just that they were in some form of mental distress. When many of these people are placed under this stress, they would often times act out in totally irrational ways. Sometimes, this would take the form of substance abuse, sometimes in violence (very often times both).

In this regard, coping skills definitely don't seem to be the forte of a large number of people, which lends itself to a lack of impulse control (hence the binging on behavior-altering substances and then violence). Sometimes, this would bring certain people to the edge of a precipice toward suicidal ideations. With these individuals, and for all the rest who were experiencing full-blown psychotic episodes (almost every homeless person in my jurisdiction fell in this category), we had the option to place them in a psychiatric facility to hold them for 72 hours. During that time, they would receive care, treatment, and meds, then booted out the door promptly after 72 hours, to start the process all over again. There would be no follow-up care, and quite often, there would be no beds available in the limited number of facilities we could transport them to.

All of this is to say that our mental health care infrastructure is woefully inadequate to deal with the massive amount of mental health care needs in our country. Based on my own personal experience, if we could tackle even a chunk of this problem, I am convinced that not only would gun violence decline, but crime overall (especially violent crime) would decline. Case in point - my department implemented one person to serve as a "Mental Health Liaison". This person was a fully licensed and certified psychologist, who would follow up on any case we informed her about. As she became familiar with these cases, she would essentially be their follow-up care; linking them and their families to resources they may not have been aware of, and ensuring that they had some sort of plan for further care. We began to see a decline in the number of calls for service for the truly mentally ill individuals with whom we would come into contact with regularly. Since then, the department expanded this area, and they have been reaping the rewards. If coupled with an expanded number of available in-patient facilities, I think it would work wonders.

However, attacking the root cause of all of this mental illness in the first place would be the best strategy, but I truly don't have an answer for that.

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At the risk of being derided, I am going to put in a good word for the medical community. In 1900 when medical care was all nostrums and vitamins and whatever, the lifespan in the US was 35. Much of that was child death, and much was infectious disease, but that is how it was.

The body is a complex instrument, and every patient is their own science experiment (a speech I have made thousands of times over the years). Things work for one patient, but not for another. It is a journey doctor and patient take together to reach the best possible solution.

As with any other profession/trade/calling there are better and less-good practitioners. I have separately written about the deprecation of US medical training by steering admissions toward demographics and social justice warrior scores instead of intelligence, passion, willingness to work, and concern for making patients better, so I will not repeat that here. There are still good practitioners, but now it is harder to identify them. (Yes, all medical schools and boards are now pass/fail because the entry requirements have been so watered down that if you posted scores you would realize how awful many of those passing are.)

But many doctors (and most over 40) are still generally wedded to doing the right thing for their patients to the best of their ability. In many ways sadly, as Prasad has pointed out, most doctors, especially today, have a primary qualification of "obedience" as one of their admission requirements. Part of this is necessary to survive the rigors of absorbing as much as one must, but there is little/no time spent in getting the bulk of the students to be inquisitive, statistics-savvy, etc. Doctors are taught that anecdotes have little value (correct, except vis-à-vis an individual patient) and that RCTs are the best way to divine truth. This has long been mostly true until they started lying in the RCTs (much evidence of this with COVID -- really makes some of us sad). So now it is very difficult to discern what is actually true while keeping up with all of the actual advances across a specialty that may impact the care of the next patient.

My greatest sadness about the whole COVID thing is not particularly that public health has taken a black eye from which it will not recover in my lifetime, it deserves it in spades. My real sadness is that good people like GM are now afraid of doctors.

Many/most of us are not out there to make your life worse; we have generally spent our lives (and endless 100 hour weeks) trying to do the best we can for you because your success is our success. You need to recognize the true villain here: the COVID stuff was so contaminated by the GOVERNMENT skewing reimbursement (if the government had not started paying hospitals so much to treat a certain way and to diagnose a certain way, almost nothing that you see would have ever happened) that it has dragged the entire health care system, including many of those of us that actually care, down with it. This is something that causes me great sadness every day. And it was so unnecessary. It is what you get when you let the government/corporations get between doctors and their patients. If we learn nothing else, we should start there.

Sadly, organized medicine was also captured by this, especially the AAP which should have a Nuremburg trial of its own, but all of those organizations now seem to be run by a handful of covidiot wokesters. That will not persist because most of us disagree, but it is an issue now and just making things worse.

Back to the point: There are a large number of areas where a trusted physician who cares about you and understands from where you are coming can do things you can never do poking around on the Internet. Plenty of smart people can learn lots by studying/reading -- I do not dismiss anyone because they are not credentialed. But there is a lot that comes from four years of science undergrad, four years of medical school, four years of residency and a couple years of fellowship, and then 25 years of practice, that you just cannot get from any number of (slanted) Google searches no matter how smart you are. Human intelligence is best at pattern recognition, often in ways the human does not understand, and that is something you gain after seeing thousands of patients over many years of school, training and practice. If you do not think that is pivotal to health, you are sorely mistaken. We physicians generally pick the person most likely to be able to use that input to reach conclusions that might elude us as our own physicians...there is a reason for that. And we mostly all try to do that ourselves for the sake of our own patients.

One of the other commenters pointed out how they cured their T2D. Most of those T2D cases would cure if the patient would lose 100 pounds. We all know that, but the number of people that will do that can generally be counted on the fingers of no hands. So you try to make things as good as possible with the person you have at hand. I always tell them that we could likely just do away with their BP/diabetes issues if they would lose substantial weight, but I cannot tell you how few patients will do that. And now that is called "fat shaming". It is so stupid as a health concept I cannot even opine or I will start spitting nails out of the screen. So I will spare you all the risk to your eyes from those spitting nails.

I am all for balanced nutrition and adequate levels of many substances, but have yet to see some vitamin/concoction/whatever be preventative/curative for everything despite the strong convictions of some of their users/purveyors. If the substance is water soluble, no harm in taking as much as you want, but I guarantee you will still die of something. So that may be part of any continuing solution, but it cannot be the beginning and end of all conversations. Those become just as constrained as the "only remdesivir/vent for COVID because I will pay you an extra $10,000 per case if you do that" conversations.

I would just suggest that throwing the baby out with the bathwater is bad health care for you and your family. There are plenty of doctors who will see things you do not, that have access to tools you do not, and who will do their damndest to make sure you get better. There are long lists of things that DO work and that have saved countless lives. I would certainly interview them carefully to try to separate the "I do what they tell me" from the "I think all organic will save you" from the "I will be honest with you and help you to the best of my ability, irrespective of what others are saying" practitioners.

I have yet to wear a mask (other than in the OR where it is mostly to stop us from getting splashed with body fluids) or to make my patients wear one. If there were science backing it up, I would be happy to do so -- it is not a religious matter to me. It is just wrong and many of us hate wrong. I give different spikeshot advice to 85 year olds and mothers of small children. Every person is an individual and that is what you hope you do as a physician: combine what you know/have learned about all of medicine and health with what you know/have learned about that individual for the benefit of that individual. That is why most of us went into medicine and you would be surprised by how many of us are still doing that.

Just one doctor's thoughts. Call me DoctorMouth...lol.

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