I sincerely hope so. It would be one of several logical next steps.
I personally think he will be fine. He clearly has a cult of personality (not an inherently bad thing) that will follow him beyond PV, so he'll have a good foundation for whatever he does next.
I mainly just wanna see PV burn. I'm not worried about O'Keefe. Just feel bad for him.
Hopefully this and things in other sectors will wake people up to the downsides of being a public company/org and being run by a board. Your organization isn't yours anymore.
There are benefits to going public and similar statuses, but there are also downsides. Staying small means greater agency and integrity of your identity.
I think these groups - which start out as small start-ups- get enticed by these 501C groupies who know how to organize funding and bring attention to activist causes.
To a small start-up (like Veritas, FLCC, etc.) that is worried about liability, cancel culture, etc. these groupies present themselves as a welcome umbrella of protection and offer them more direct access to Big Conservative Media. You may recall both O'Keefe and Dr. Golde had hefty legal bills when they started up. So they were prime targets for these grifters.
What happened to PV is somewhat similar to what has happened to many corporations - ie Blackrock/Vanguard become big investors and then place members on the board that redirect the company from their core values (making and selling a product) toward Blackrock/Vanguard's activist values.
James O'Keefe will weather this because of his name recognition. His situation is reminiscent of a big band break-up. Others with less name recognition will go quietly into the night.
This is exactly right- your summary of this extremely common trajectory applies to many, many organizations that have become thoroughly corrupted institutions.
Given that PV's primary mission is to expose those entities that are not transparent with information of concern to the public, I would expect more from PV on this issue. Until that information is released, I would be hesitant to support PV or James O'Keefe. Tell us what the deal is people so we can make up our own minds. So, I chose Chinese space alien balloons.
Hoffer is one of my favorites. I think he refers to this as religiofication (spelling)?
Couple that with Disneyfication and I'm pretty sure that's where we stand....maybe add Fahrenheit 451 and some nukes
It's funny G - I was just about ready to give you shit for not posting, but I like these types of interim post....because I know what it's like TRYING to be a perfectionist.
It's a combination of I'm sick, Husbandmouth was recently sick, money problems, and a sudden influx of new work I can't push off because we need the cash, minor but persistent and unrelated stuff with Fathermouth and Mothermouth and about a thousand other things. None of it is very interesting.
Oh, lord. I'm now going to be a paid subscriber. Ya gotta slap your readers upside the head every once in a while with GutterReality, and get them to fork out some dough.
Hubby and I have had that respiratory virus for about 10 days, all while in the middle of a move. That crap has kicked our ass. As bad as the Covid I had over a yr. ago. The fact that you can still work at a $ making job, take care of your farm husbandry stuff, still recover from surgery and put words to a Substack says you are one tough cookie. I bow to your tenacity.
In the language of science, dioxin is hydrophobic and lipophilic: it hates water and loves fat. It sinks into the sediment at the bottom of water bodies, where it attaches to organic matter, moving up the food chain from plankton to small aquatic animals and finally to fish. In soil, it ends up in free-range chickens and ducks and their eggs. It becomes steadily more concentrated at each stage, a process known as bioaccumulation. Eighty-seven percent of dioxin enters the body through ingestion, before migrating into fatty tissue, the liver, and breast milk. From https://e360.yale.edu/features/fifty-years-after-a-daunting-cleanup-of-vietnam-toxic-legacy-dioxin-agent-orange
“Stole a sandwich”. High crimes and misdemeanors. “Hard to work with.” Buttercups abound.
What is this disease where an editor or founder gets undermined and ultimately ousted by apparently toxic employees. Not that I hold any love for the failed NYT but didn’t they have an editor get pushed oht by unhappy wokesters? Makes one wonder. I asked my one, and he is wondering.
There are two diseases at play here: the woke/DIE-B monster, but more specifically, being a board-managed nonprofit (or public company). Once you submit to committee, your mission is no longer your own.
There are many 'old sayings' about committees. They are all true. Except the ones that aren't. I'll start: "A committee is the only animal with 12 heads and no brain. Or, "An elephant is a mouse designed by a committee". (Or a camel is a horse...) Last one - "A committee is a group of the reluctant, chosen from the inept, to attempt to do something unnecessary".
I strongly suspect O'K has a short list and people will defect once he's established whatever comes next and has the infrastructure in place to sign paychecks.
My current working theory is that Pfizer and Friends mobilized intense influence and the "James O'Keefe misgendered my sandwich" bullshit is a lazy cover for a palace coup. I believe board members and/or their friends/family had a series of dinnertime visits by people with embarrassing material, sacks of cash, and silenced pistols.
I don't think anyone in their right mind imagines PV will survive this but the people that orchestrated it don't care; if anything, it's an amusing bonus.
Been missing your Mouth. The gutter ain't the same without you.
Thanks for the likes on my comments in Men & Women & the Tonic Tilt. I've been chomping at the bit to bring you up as an example, when John says he uses offensive language on purpose to keep women out, or Jay quotes CS Lewis that women aren't interested in the world of ideas. But I'm saving you for my episode on Doc Hammer, our mutual friend here. You're a perfect example of women in the Wild Woods for his essay on Tonic Masculinity.
I would have said more but I've decided more or less to stay out of that particular brush fire forever. I am unapologetically feminist in a way that probably alienates a majority of my readership and for that reason just plain don't feel like talking about it.
I wanted to give you some ups for being dumb enough to stick your head in that particular oven. :)
I wasn’t aware we had any outstanding fights. Then again, I spend so much time bickering with the lads when I am not working and reading to the girls I probably have a few obligations I am forgetting :)
I've been excited to do an episode on you, Doc, since this TM project came up. And GM has kindly offered to do a Q&A on it, since this is where we met. I love that you and I are both parents of three girls, my last about to launch, which I want to talk about. And you certainly meet William's criteria that "real men have skills" and I'm eager to introduce my readers to yours. But I'm certain we agree that GM meets the masculinity criteria of offensive language, at home in the world of ideas, and real world skills. And anyone who thinks she can't contend with the Wild Woods hasn't seen her chase a hog down the highway ;-)
I don't know if you saw my post from last night on Luc, called The Tonic Gnostic (https://thirdparadigm.substack.com/p/the-tonic-gnostic). What I mentioned is that I'm trying to focus more on tonic vs. toxic rather than masculine vs. feminine. And I think that you and GM as tonic masculinity and tonic femininity will be a fitting end to the series. But first, Harrison!
I am looking forward to it! I do want to stipulate that while I agree men should have skills, women should too. They need to make their way in the world, the Wild Wood, just as men do. I’d be tempted to say women seem to have a knack for picking up more skills, overall, while men tend to have somewhat fewer but specialize a little more, but I am not prepared to claim that is generally true instead of just something that tends to turn up in my experience.
Also, while I enjoy a good streak of creative cussing more than I ever indulge in on my or other’s ‘stacks, I wouldn’t make it a qualification for masculinity :D Being able to hold one’s own ideas out at arm’s length and test them to destruction, though, that I would be tempted to name a prerequisite. Of course, much like the bumper sticker proclaiming “Real Girls Drive Jeeps”, such a requirement perhaps puts the vast majority in the “Surprisingly Good Facsimile” category :)
Nothing massive amounts of profanities can't fix--motherfucker ass wipe board members. James could be less of a cunt tho. Please feel free to take it from here, jerk-wad.
Hm, I'd have associated you more with Nanny Ogg than with mrs Weatherwax. Oh well.
Any thoughts about who has bought the board ofVeritas to have them buy out this O'Keefe fellow?
Oh, and you might be the right person to ask: I read some hullabaloo about "canadan superpigs" being a right menace - do they have little canadian flag-embrodiered capes do you think?
Think he comes to Substack?
I sincerely hope so. It would be one of several logical next steps.
I personally think he will be fine. He clearly has a cult of personality (not an inherently bad thing) that will follow him beyond PV, so he'll have a good foundation for whatever he does next.
I mainly just wanna see PV burn. I'm not worried about O'Keefe. Just feel bad for him.
What he's left behind should be renamed Project Pferitas. It seems like his explosive exposé of the company has an effect on the board.
Yes please! 🙏
I understand the FLCC is having similar problems - where the MD's who started this COVID Treatment practice are being booted out by Board Members.
"We" have got to get away from these RINO grifters who jump on the bandwagon after all the hard lifting is done.
Hopefully this and things in other sectors will wake people up to the downsides of being a public company/org and being run by a board. Your organization isn't yours anymore.
There are benefits to going public and similar statuses, but there are also downsides. Staying small means greater agency and integrity of your identity.
I think these groups - which start out as small start-ups- get enticed by these 501C groupies who know how to organize funding and bring attention to activist causes.
To a small start-up (like Veritas, FLCC, etc.) that is worried about liability, cancel culture, etc. these groupies present themselves as a welcome umbrella of protection and offer them more direct access to Big Conservative Media. You may recall both O'Keefe and Dr. Golde had hefty legal bills when they started up. So they were prime targets for these grifters.
What happened to PV is somewhat similar to what has happened to many corporations - ie Blackrock/Vanguard become big investors and then place members on the board that redirect the company from their core values (making and selling a product) toward Blackrock/Vanguard's activist values.
James O'Keefe will weather this because of his name recognition. His situation is reminiscent of a big band break-up. Others with less name recognition will go quietly into the night.
This is exactly right- your summary of this extremely common trajectory applies to many, many organizations that have become thoroughly corrupted institutions.
It is the same with organisations as with bodies: cancer is a when, not an if.
And, excuse my language (lol on this site), I haven't seen too many people in that organization with balls of steel
returned in kind - low effort reader - skipped the poll (too much effort) - somehow i managed a comment tho? the cognitive dissonance is overwhelming
You took the words right out of my mouth, except the word "dolt."
Given that PV's primary mission is to expose those entities that are not transparent with information of concern to the public, I would expect more from PV on this issue. Until that information is released, I would be hesitant to support PV or James O'Keefe. Tell us what the deal is people so we can make up our own minds. So, I chose Chinese space alien balloons.
Hoffer is one of my favorites. I think he refers to this as religiofication (spelling)?
Couple that with Disneyfication and I'm pretty sure that's where we stand....maybe add Fahrenheit 451 and some nukes
It's funny G - I was just about ready to give you shit for not posting, but I like these types of interim post....because I know what it's like TRYING to be a perfectionist.
It's a combination of I'm sick, Husbandmouth was recently sick, money problems, and a sudden influx of new work I can't push off because we need the cash, minor but persistent and unrelated stuff with Fathermouth and Mothermouth and about a thousand other things. None of it is very interesting.
Normalcy, such as it is, will return.
It's all good GM. Please take care of you and the fam.
Nothing more important. We're here when you get back.
What Ryan said.
Oh, lord. I'm now going to be a paid subscriber. Ya gotta slap your readers upside the head every once in a while with GutterReality, and get them to fork out some dough.
Hope you're not vinyl chlorine sick. That disaster is right near the PA border, after all.
I don't think so. Slight fever, sore throat, upper respiratory stuff. Probably just a cold or COVID. We were in a bunch of crowds last week.
Hubby and I have had that respiratory virus for about 10 days, all while in the middle of a move. That crap has kicked our ass. As bad as the Covid I had over a yr. ago. The fact that you can still work at a $ making job, take care of your farm husbandry stuff, still recover from surgery and put words to a Substack says you are one tough cookie. I bow to your tenacity.
That'll do it. I'm sure you're being wary of any noxious gas clouds that don't smell like critters, or water changes.
Hope you feel better soon.
We're on well water so I'm definitely concerned, but our livestock would likely be the real bellwether.
So far everything is healthy. No word from neighbors or the local Grange.
But we're in the outer reaches of the area potentially affected, so I'm not dismissing concerns yet.
In the language of science, dioxin is hydrophobic and lipophilic: it hates water and loves fat. It sinks into the sediment at the bottom of water bodies, where it attaches to organic matter, moving up the food chain from plankton to small aquatic animals and finally to fish. In soil, it ends up in free-range chickens and ducks and their eggs. It becomes steadily more concentrated at each stage, a process known as bioaccumulation. Eighty-seven percent of dioxin enters the body through ingestion, before migrating into fatty tissue, the liver, and breast milk. From https://e360.yale.edu/features/fifty-years-after-a-daunting-cleanup-of-vietnam-toxic-legacy-dioxin-agent-orange
Might be a slow creep of toxicity, I hope it doesn't get as far as the Mouth farm!
It is always right to add some nukes to a conflict.
From orbit - it's the only way to be sure.
“Stole a sandwich”. High crimes and misdemeanors. “Hard to work with.” Buttercups abound.
What is this disease where an editor or founder gets undermined and ultimately ousted by apparently toxic employees. Not that I hold any love for the failed NYT but didn’t they have an editor get pushed oht by unhappy wokesters? Makes one wonder. I asked my one, and he is wondering.
Shame
https://thepostmillennial.com/breaking-james-okeefe-to-leave-project-veritas-following-board-dispute
Wow, look at all that effort! :)
There are two diseases at play here: the woke/DIE-B monster, but more specifically, being a board-managed nonprofit (or public company). Once you submit to committee, your mission is no longer your own.
The latter empowers the former.
There are many 'old sayings' about committees. They are all true. Except the ones that aren't. I'll start: "A committee is the only animal with 12 heads and no brain. Or, "An elephant is a mouse designed by a committee". (Or a camel is a horse...) Last one - "A committee is a group of the reluctant, chosen from the inept, to attempt to do something unnecessary".
No group can achieve better than its least able member.
That one is mine, I think?
Truth!
True Dat!!😎
Not enough effort to correct my typos though.
Boards. One might think they R supposed to help fulfill the vision but often become weenie brained
You do the typo thing so I don't feel so self conscious. Thanks, dude!
youer welcmoe
It would be great if he could get some of the staff to jump ship to stay with him and the true idea behind PV.
I strongly suspect O'K has a short list and people will defect once he's established whatever comes next and has the infrastructure in place to sign paychecks.
My current working theory is that Pfizer and Friends mobilized intense influence and the "James O'Keefe misgendered my sandwich" bullshit is a lazy cover for a palace coup. I believe board members and/or their friends/family had a series of dinnertime visits by people with embarrassing material, sacks of cash, and silenced pistols.
I don't think anyone in their right mind imagines PV will survive this but the people that orchestrated it don't care; if anything, it's an amusing bonus.
We need a PV, but not a compromised PV. I hope the takeover people lose their shirts.
We will have a PV. It'll just be called something else.
I'm surprisingly sanguine about this. Unless O'Keefe gets murked at some point, his mission will continue.
Whew! GM, great response!!m. I agree…..
Cheers!
Been missing your Mouth. The gutter ain't the same without you.
Thanks for the likes on my comments in Men & Women & the Tonic Tilt. I've been chomping at the bit to bring you up as an example, when John says he uses offensive language on purpose to keep women out, or Jay quotes CS Lewis that women aren't interested in the world of ideas. But I'm saving you for my episode on Doc Hammer, our mutual friend here. You're a perfect example of women in the Wild Woods for his essay on Tonic Masculinity.
I would have said more but I've decided more or less to stay out of that particular brush fire forever. I am unapologetically feminist in a way that probably alienates a majority of my readership and for that reason just plain don't feel like talking about it.
I wanted to give you some ups for being dumb enough to stick your head in that particular oven. :)
Ha! Wise of you. I've grown accustomed to the smell of singeing hair.
I feel crudulent saying this but at this point in my life I have enough burdens that I have to pick my battles.
20 years ago I had the free time and disposable income to get into bar fights over ice cream flavors and Star Wars scripts.
But that doesn't mean I don't salute someone with the time and energy to pick the fights I'd pick if a woodchuck could chuck wood.
I wasn’t aware we had any outstanding fights. Then again, I spend so much time bickering with the lads when I am not working and reading to the girls I probably have a few obligations I am forgetting :)
I've been excited to do an episode on you, Doc, since this TM project came up. And GM has kindly offered to do a Q&A on it, since this is where we met. I love that you and I are both parents of three girls, my last about to launch, which I want to talk about. And you certainly meet William's criteria that "real men have skills" and I'm eager to introduce my readers to yours. But I'm certain we agree that GM meets the masculinity criteria of offensive language, at home in the world of ideas, and real world skills. And anyone who thinks she can't contend with the Wild Woods hasn't seen her chase a hog down the highway ;-)
I don't know if you saw my post from last night on Luc, called The Tonic Gnostic (https://thirdparadigm.substack.com/p/the-tonic-gnostic). What I mentioned is that I'm trying to focus more on tonic vs. toxic rather than masculine vs. feminine. And I think that you and GM as tonic masculinity and tonic femininity will be a fitting end to the series. But first, Harrison!
I am looking forward to it! I do want to stipulate that while I agree men should have skills, women should too. They need to make their way in the world, the Wild Wood, just as men do. I’d be tempted to say women seem to have a knack for picking up more skills, overall, while men tend to have somewhat fewer but specialize a little more, but I am not prepared to claim that is generally true instead of just something that tends to turn up in my experience.
Also, while I enjoy a good streak of creative cussing more than I ever indulge in on my or other’s ‘stacks, I wouldn’t make it a qualification for masculinity :D Being able to hold one’s own ideas out at arm’s length and test them to destruction, though, that I would be tempted to name a prerequisite. Of course, much like the bumper sticker proclaiming “Real Girls Drive Jeeps”, such a requirement perhaps puts the vast majority in the “Surprisingly Good Facsimile” category :)
Nothing massive amounts of profanities can't fix--motherfucker ass wipe board members. James could be less of a cunt tho. Please feel free to take it from here, jerk-wad.
Slow down there, cumdumpster. We don't know all the facts.
Project Veritas without James O’Keefe is like Breitbart without….well, Breitbart.
I'll see if PV does anymore undercover work worthy of support FIRST.
Hm, I'd have associated you more with Nanny Ogg than with mrs Weatherwax. Oh well.
Any thoughts about who has bought the board ofVeritas to have them buy out this O'Keefe fellow?
Oh, and you might be the right person to ask: I read some hullabaloo about "canadan superpigs" being a right menace - do they have little canadian flag-embrodiered capes do you think?
The Cernovich Substack “Talent, Suits, and Ego” is a great take on the PV situation.
Agreed. Good read, for anyone who hasn't already.
miss your posts, just thought you aught to know:)