Open thread! Isn't that what lazy fucks are supposed to say when they publish a non-post? So... let's do this, baby! "Community content"! Let's go Brandon!
Even though I don’t own guns, I just recently joined NRA to support them fighting the latest wave of gun control legislation insanity. After SCOTUS decision on NY “may issue” law, MA has scrambled to rework their similar law to weasel around the decision, oops, I mean to make MA safe again. I’ve found myself in the middle of a back and forth correspondence with a state rep who is all in on the restrict guns for everyone so ‘monsters’ don’t get them - and - to have a gun you must declare a “proper cause” that meets with the state’s approval. Red flag laws are also an existential issue. I don’t know why so many people have such a problem with recognizing root issues and trying to solve them, and also why many people can’t seem to understand “…the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.“
This is usually the part where a smug asshole thinks he's (because it's always a he) the first one to come up with the most restrictive grammatical interpretation of the "well-ordered militia" part.
Also, thanks for your support as a non-gun owner. I am actually more in support of GOA these days as NRA has had some legit corruption in recent years. They also seem to be doing a better job engaging minority gun owners as the NRA has very much established a brand as a white conservative thing.
That said, NRA membership still has good benefits. The legal defense fund (for members as well as lobbying) is among them.
I wonder why said smugliaccis never bother with the etymology of a word? That's the #1 clue as to its meaning, since actual usage is always more ambiguous, even in legal texts. (Hey, that's another cure for insomnia: read a legal dictionairy.)
Militia means, and has always meant citizens taking up soldiering in defense of hearth and home. There's no two beans about it, since the word was used to distinguish such forces from profssional soldiers (which historically was what we in modern parlance would call private armies, since the head-honchos paid for them out of their own pockets - having filled those pockets by taxing their serfs of course - , hoping to recoup costs by looting and treaties).
It also shares roots with military, obviously. The US constitution uses the word correctly as-is, referring to citizens in arms. What kind of arms is irrelevant since such a force to current must have access to such equipment as it can care for and correctly utilise on its own accord. Hence, there's no prohibition inherent in the text regarding such things as tanks, mortars, Bofors guns, 20mm AGLs, whatever. How a militia would finance that, and how the term militia is to be interpreted in multi-racial and multi-religious society with magnitudes more of fault lines between groups, well, I guess the next 10-20 will tell. The founding fathers did not envision anything but a nation where they and their kind was anything but monodominant after all.
That's my take from the outside at least, playing "The Little Match Girl" so to speak.
You are correct about the definition of "Arms" and "Militia". Most seem to forget that the people that wrote the Constitution in particular, Mason, Madison, Jefferson and Hamilton that wrote the 2nd Amendment, spent a great deal of time talking, debating and publishing their thoughts. Here are some great examples:
"I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for few public officials."
George Mason, 3 Elliot, Debates at 425-426
“The Constitution preserves the advantage of being armed which Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation...(where) the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms.”
James Madison, The Federalist Papers, No. 46.
"The constitutions of most of our States assert that all power is inherent in the people; that... it is their right and duty to be at all times armed."
Thomas Jefferson to John Cartwright, 1824.
"...to disarm the people - that was the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason, 3 Elliot, Debates at 380
"The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed."
Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers at 184-8
Lots of people, especially (surprisingly) REGULAR, NON-GOV CITIZENS who are anti-gun, really really don't grasp that the founders were skeptical of government, EXPECTED tyranny to happen as human nature, and that the primary purpose of 2A was to resist it.
Huzzah to you for taking up this cause with your elected official evenntjo it doesn't directly impact you . J mean it Does impact you as a Right you have they'd like to restrict...but you know what I mean. Huzzah!!
Ok, I'll recycle a thing I put in a comment at mr Rigger's Stack:
"Fathers should teach what my father in law taught my wife when she was a teen: how to shoot and how to throw knifes. Ain't no bigger equaliser and democratiser than the gun." True, yes?
Right, having recycled and thus saved the planet (isn't re-cycling what you normally do in a velodrome, just going around and around?) I have the perfect cure for insomnia. No, not binge drinking. No, not binge eating either. I've tried both at the same time as a young man and sleep is the last thing you want to do. Haven't tried laudanum, could be hard to get without a time-machine too, though in one town I lived in years ago an old persian man sold it in small brown glass bottles, the kind you can slam dunk without them breaking. Two drops in a cup of tea was his recipe. He had bo dea it was very illegal, and found it silly. Lovely shop he had too - every "Mysteries of the Orient" cliché stacked to the roof. It wouldn't have surprised anyone if a genie (no, not a blue cartoon Robin Williams, this was before that movie) had popped out of a lamp or a carpet had taken off on its own, joining the stuffed crocodile he had hanging from the ceiling.
No, to cure insomnia you sort nails and screws and buttons and stuff like that. Alternatively, you decide to stay up and get things dine and then sort of amble about the next day, struggling with difficult high-brow concepts like tying your shoelaces.
Today it's raining. That's good, because that means I don't have to fetch water for the plants in the garden. Carting 600L of water manually is a chore and no mistake. Well, enough back-patting, I've got black currants on the stove, blue berries in the fridge and other stuff too that's going to become juice and sherbet and jam and stuff.
And in the root cellar, four demijohn's are filled with water, honey, yeast (re-used from previous batches) and the extracted juice of fireweed-flowers and meadwort. Fingers crossed, in mid-September it'll be ripe for bottling and storing. (It must be, because by then I need the demijohn's for the damsons.) Edit: obviously I don't cart 600L all at once! I have to make three turns.
The pew pew life. 😊 Check out Colion Noir on Utoob. He's from Texas and, I think, a lawyer. Great videos regarding guns and great commentary on goings on in government and around the country. Check out some of his merch, too.
Wouldn’t mind a bit, learning how to use that machine well and safely. I’ve always liked tools & owned a lot of them, before I blew my life up. Not guns of course. I’m a Brit. We’ve always been disarmed.
You didn't blow your life up, you blew it open for the sake of Billions, sir. You blew your profession open so many could see that MD is a wide and varied field , and that not all within it were worthy of trust.
You blew the minds of millions with not only your insights , but the personable spirit that many in your field ( my brother in law was one of them prior to his addiction crisis) can not field ,do to having mantled themselves with being Medical Dieties
Yes, you blew your life up. Perhaps it was too small, and you needed to enlarge the available space to allow so many others in...
Whew, you scared me there for a minute! At first I thought that was a dreaded gypsy moth. One of those things can supposedly eat up to a square foot of tree leaves a day!
Open thread! Isn't that what lazy fucks are supposed to say when they publish a non-post? So... let's do this, baby! "Community content"! Let's go Brandon!
Butterflies ain't fucking around anymore! 🤣
🤣
Even though I don’t own guns, I just recently joined NRA to support them fighting the latest wave of gun control legislation insanity. After SCOTUS decision on NY “may issue” law, MA has scrambled to rework their similar law to weasel around the decision, oops, I mean to make MA safe again. I’ve found myself in the middle of a back and forth correspondence with a state rep who is all in on the restrict guns for everyone so ‘monsters’ don’t get them - and - to have a gun you must declare a “proper cause” that meets with the state’s approval. Red flag laws are also an existential issue. I don’t know why so many people have such a problem with recognizing root issues and trying to solve them, and also why many people can’t seem to understand “…the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.“
This is usually the part where a smug asshole thinks he's (because it's always a he) the first one to come up with the most restrictive grammatical interpretation of the "well-ordered militia" part.
Also, thanks for your support as a non-gun owner. I am actually more in support of GOA these days as NRA has had some legit corruption in recent years. They also seem to be doing a better job engaging minority gun owners as the NRA has very much established a brand as a white conservative thing.
That said, NRA membership still has good benefits. The legal defense fund (for members as well as lobbying) is among them.
I wonder why said smugliaccis never bother with the etymology of a word? That's the #1 clue as to its meaning, since actual usage is always more ambiguous, even in legal texts. (Hey, that's another cure for insomnia: read a legal dictionairy.)
Militia means, and has always meant citizens taking up soldiering in defense of hearth and home. There's no two beans about it, since the word was used to distinguish such forces from profssional soldiers (which historically was what we in modern parlance would call private armies, since the head-honchos paid for them out of their own pockets - having filled those pockets by taxing their serfs of course - , hoping to recoup costs by looting and treaties).
It also shares roots with military, obviously. The US constitution uses the word correctly as-is, referring to citizens in arms. What kind of arms is irrelevant since such a force to current must have access to such equipment as it can care for and correctly utilise on its own accord. Hence, there's no prohibition inherent in the text regarding such things as tanks, mortars, Bofors guns, 20mm AGLs, whatever. How a militia would finance that, and how the term militia is to be interpreted in multi-racial and multi-religious society with magnitudes more of fault lines between groups, well, I guess the next 10-20 will tell. The founding fathers did not envision anything but a nation where they and their kind was anything but monodominant after all.
That's my take from the outside at least, playing "The Little Match Girl" so to speak.
You are correct about the definition of "Arms" and "Militia". Most seem to forget that the people that wrote the Constitution in particular, Mason, Madison, Jefferson and Hamilton that wrote the 2nd Amendment, spent a great deal of time talking, debating and publishing their thoughts. Here are some great examples:
"I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for few public officials."
George Mason, 3 Elliot, Debates at 425-426
“The Constitution preserves the advantage of being armed which Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation...(where) the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms.”
James Madison, The Federalist Papers, No. 46.
"The constitutions of most of our States assert that all power is inherent in the people; that... it is their right and duty to be at all times armed."
Thomas Jefferson to John Cartwright, 1824.
"...to disarm the people - that was the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason, 3 Elliot, Debates at 380
"The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed."
Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers at 184-8
Lots of people, especially (surprisingly) REGULAR, NON-GOV CITIZENS who are anti-gun, really really don't grasp that the founders were skeptical of government, EXPECTED tyranny to happen as human nature, and that the primary purpose of 2A was to resist it.
This!
Huzzah to you for taking up this cause with your elected official evenntjo it doesn't directly impact you . J mean it Does impact you as a Right you have they'd like to restrict...but you know what I mean. Huzzah!!
Also, Brandon has the vid again…
Hahahahajahahahahaaaa
I will never get tired of watching misfortune befall that man.
How's your patience now, Brandon? Still wearing thin?
Amen!
butterfly: well its no good unloaded!
That is always a good day…
Have fun carrying out a lead redistribution policy.
Slide check! Pew Pew!
Ok, I'll recycle a thing I put in a comment at mr Rigger's Stack:
"Fathers should teach what my father in law taught my wife when she was a teen: how to shoot and how to throw knifes. Ain't no bigger equaliser and democratiser than the gun." True, yes?
Right, having recycled and thus saved the planet (isn't re-cycling what you normally do in a velodrome, just going around and around?) I have the perfect cure for insomnia. No, not binge drinking. No, not binge eating either. I've tried both at the same time as a young man and sleep is the last thing you want to do. Haven't tried laudanum, could be hard to get without a time-machine too, though in one town I lived in years ago an old persian man sold it in small brown glass bottles, the kind you can slam dunk without them breaking. Two drops in a cup of tea was his recipe. He had bo dea it was very illegal, and found it silly. Lovely shop he had too - every "Mysteries of the Orient" cliché stacked to the roof. It wouldn't have surprised anyone if a genie (no, not a blue cartoon Robin Williams, this was before that movie) had popped out of a lamp or a carpet had taken off on its own, joining the stuffed crocodile he had hanging from the ceiling.
No, to cure insomnia you sort nails and screws and buttons and stuff like that. Alternatively, you decide to stay up and get things dine and then sort of amble about the next day, struggling with difficult high-brow concepts like tying your shoelaces.
Today it's raining. That's good, because that means I don't have to fetch water for the plants in the garden. Carting 600L of water manually is a chore and no mistake. Well, enough back-patting, I've got black currants on the stove, blue berries in the fridge and other stuff too that's going to become juice and sherbet and jam and stuff.
And in the root cellar, four demijohn's are filled with water, honey, yeast (re-used from previous batches) and the extracted juice of fireweed-flowers and meadwort. Fingers crossed, in mid-September it'll be ripe for bottling and storing. (It must be, because by then I need the demijohn's for the damsons.) Edit: obviously I don't cart 600L all at once! I have to make three turns.
The pew pew life. 😊 Check out Colion Noir on Utoob. He's from Texas and, I think, a lawyer. Great videos regarding guns and great commentary on goings on in government and around the country. Check out some of his merch, too.
Wouldn’t mind a bit, learning how to use that machine well and safely. I’ve always liked tools & owned a lot of them, before I blew my life up. Not guns of course. I’m a Brit. We’ve always been disarmed.
You're welcome to come out my way, enjoy some farm to table eating, and fire off a few hundred rounds anytime.
You didn't blow your life up, you blew it open for the sake of Billions, sir. You blew your profession open so many could see that MD is a wide and varied field , and that not all within it were worthy of trust.
You blew the minds of millions with not only your insights , but the personable spirit that many in your field ( my brother in law was one of them prior to his addiction crisis) can not field ,do to having mantled themselves with being Medical Dieties
Yes, you blew your life up. Perhaps it was too small, and you needed to enlarge the available space to allow so many others in...
So grateful to you.
I did not grow up with guns. You can learn. Learn responsibly with an experienced friend.
A little target shooting is fun, too.
Whew, you scared me there for a minute! At first I thought that was a dreaded gypsy moth. One of those things can supposedly eat up to a square foot of tree leaves a day!
But it ain't 8/1 yet where I is typin'.
But I AM going to the Gun Museum in Cody...
We visited the Gun Museum in 2019. My advice, take two days. Absolutely spectacular.